15. A guide to farm unlimited Greater Red Mutagen. Path along the coast from Redgill gives a group of drowners that will give at least 1. Easiest way to get "GREATER RED" mutagens,runestones,crafting materials in few minutesThe first time you go there there will be bandits; once disposed of, they'll make place to red-pinned drowners next time you go there and they'll respawn if you meditate a few hours Red-pinned drowners have a chance to drop a red mutagen. Demonphoenix • 4 yr. The Herbalist dont offer some so maybe i am lucky and someone already found. Anything else? lvl 28, only have 2 minors and 1 normal red mutagen. This link has a couple farming locations. Perks that increase mutagen effect, give 1000 health per active decoction, and reduce damage inflicted by the target of your sword oils to name a few. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. In this video I had explained how to farm unlimited red mutagen in The. comments sorted by Best. 531. Different types (colors) of mutagens grant different kinds of bonuses. The current methods are potluck whether they actually work Cowfiend, 1/10 drop rate for me. They can also be used to augment abilities, but are not as effective as their greater counterparts. Then surf it to the beach and farm drowners like a boss 😎. Surf Shark VPN Discount + 2 Months for FREE - this video i will show you fastest way to farm mutagen in Witcher 3 Next Gen!Playli. As long as u leave one item in the destroyed nest and meditate 4 days, you can keep repeating for more mutagens. The first is crafting them by using Lesser Red Mutagens, a drop you can obtain from specific monsters. For The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt on the PlayStation 4, a GameFAQs Q&A question titled "Where to get/farm red mutagen?". Actually, there are three different types that may spawn even though they are all called Arachas. How in the world am I supposed to get enough greater red mutagens to unlock 4 slots, lol. The Witcher 3 – How to farm Lesser Red Mutagens. Too bad you can't dismantle monsters mutagen into generic mutagen like other ingredient. How to get early greater mutagens in the witcher 3, next gen. You need rubedo and winter cherries for conversion. Four Drowners spawn on the shore by the fast travel point and another four spawn just north of it. You could hit the drowned dead at the Whale Graveyard once and run around those paths I mentioned once. For example, the werewolf mutagen appears. You can only get mutagens from a few retailers. So now I'm trying to farm 2 more reds so I can get that 40% bonus back. They can also be used to augment abilities, but are not as effective as their greater counterparts. 12 patch. Where can we farm these now since since 1. They respawn on a timer. Just completed farming lots of lesser red mutagens and crafted them to 5 greater red mutagens in less than 1 hour or so. If you kill the Alghoul and it drops o. Today I bring you a farming video, this time about getting mutagens, especially RED ones, which are the most difficult ones to find. I have a few greater green and blues mutagen but I can't find any red mutagens. A user asks for advice on where to collect red mutagens for greater red mutagen in the Witcher 3 game. Red Mutagen: Can be made from three small red mutagens. Winter cherry is a rare plant introduced in the Blood and Wine expansion. Each guide focuses on different types of items like Potions, Decoctions, Oils, Bombs, Places of Power and other valuable items. the witcher tales. Trained from early childhood and. Todayjunyer • 5 yr. 5% damage for every point of your Toxicity level, up to 411% max. They can either be used to improve you character through: Being the main ingredient in mutagen decoctions. By doing this for like 15 minutes I managed to get like 3 or 4 red mutagens at least, so the method does work, even if it's not too fast or efficient as one would like to. Don't remember where but if you google Witcher 3 red mutagen farming it should come right up. . Kill the centipedes and destroy the nest, loot everything EXCEPT the last item, run away. Anything else? lvl 28, only have 2 minors and 1 normal red mutagen. Red mutagen is about the only thing I farm because I consider Greater Reds important, I want 4 of them and picking up red mutagens just playing the game can take a very long time to craft 4 Greater Reds. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt. . In case you needed more than 3 Cockatrice Stomaches in the future, just check these two locations every 2 or 3 days. With the mutagen that boosts damage based on active decoctions, the game is no long fun. Winter cherries are found at Corvo Bianco and no where else. The Witcher 3: How to Get Red Mutagens. My suggestion is to unlock all mutations while in current BW (spend as many mutagens as you can) and then do NG+. We show you how to get the OP mutagen skill tree and Euphoria in act one on level 19 playing on Death March in the Witcher 3: Wild Hunt after the patch 4. Mutations That Must Be Unlocked. and i realized the whole mutagen thing. You' waste about 6 skill points for +16 sign damage. I believe there is some nekker warrior farming spot, or was way back in the earlier patches. 12 made it seem very limited the ability to farm them, has 1. . E. You can skill link with them. 5% max. It's very simple: Morkvarg is a cursed Werewolf and respawns a few. . It takes 3 lesser mutagens to make one mutagen, and three mutagens to make a greater one. 12, which specifically nerfed that function. Mutagens allow you to massively enhance your own combat-focused abilities in th skill tree, including ones powered up by Adrenaline Points, so they’re a. You have the contracts where you can bargin with the contract giver to increase the payment (be wary to not be too greedy as itll piss them off. The Witcher 3 Wiki Guide: Full Walkthrough, Quest Outcomes, weapons, armor, signs, creatures, maps, alchemy and crafting guides and monster lists Red mutagen | The Witcher 3 Wiki Sign InUnique mutagens can be combined with generic mutagens to make stronger versions with new icons. g. 1. In the alchemy menu. Content posted in this community. On the main island of Skellige, fast travel to Whale Graveyard after you've cleaned out the bandits. From there, trace your finger SOUTH till you reach a road that starts out of the middle of nowhere. Photo, Photo 3-5: Rabenpixel. Here is the list of best mutagens in the Witcher 3 game: Noonwraith Mutagen. Where can I find red mutagens Witcher 3? we will discuss which enemies drop red mutagens and The Witcher 3 as well as how often those drops occur. Alghoul for having fairly high drop chances despite not being encountered that often, and drowner dead for being aplenty and respawning (yes, even with the current patch). Hey Geralts, I'm level 19 and have 2 red mutagens, I've gotten impatient and gone on the hunt for these elusive. . Fiend in Crookbackbog, doesn't respawn. So I've googled and found many mutagen 'farming' spots, like the fiend south of Crookback Bog, and all the drowners at Whale Graveyard, another spot up the coast from there, and an island just near Kaer Trolde. As alchemy tree user you'll by about as good as Prologue Geralt without your potions, so you defiantly need to grab the Bersker skill to be able to use it for as much of the game as possible. . All you have to do is to hunt some harpies. The player must side with Sven and choose to kill the Woodland Spirit. Then meditate for 4 days and everything in the looted nest will respawn. The moment you buy one go back to the chat options and choose buying again. Types of Mutagen: There are common, lesser mutagens, and then there are mutagens dropped from specific monsters killed for Geralt’s Witcher contracts. PSN-fsas06. You can face off with one in the. The best chance for drops are: Devourers, Alghouls, and the big Draconids or Vampires. You do not need a recipe. In my first play through, notice I don't get too many red mutagent drops, getting lots of blue, and some greens, but very few reds. A Cosplay Fotostory. A Cosplay Fotostory. Here, Geralt can convert monster mutagens into the basic red, blue, and green variety. Endriaga drones in Skellige (Northern part of Ard Skellig, east of the village of Rogne) also tend to drop some red mutagens and respawn quite reliably. You can't do this until you follow the main quest line to Skelliege and enter Freya's garden with Yen. Farming red mutagens reliably is tricky in earlier levels of the game and stacking Geralt's attack power is rather minimal before you are able to craft greater r. Green mutagens increase the size of Geralt's health bar. Where can we farm these now since since 1. I found a great place to farm lesser red mutagen the easiest way is at the South West of Redgill in The Skellige Isles where you'll face a group of level 18 dark. There's a group of 5 drowners along the coast - follow the path along the coast past the sign post and over the hill. These are the monsters to go after for the Special Red variety. This thread is archived. Whale graveyard in Skellige is probably the best place to farm red mutagens in the main game. They respawn when you fast travel out of Skellige and then go back in. If you want to boost your attack at that stage, I'd suggest you brew thunderbolt, if you haven't already. 20 with it increase in hard to get manster parts upped these? เข้าสู่ระบบ ร้านค้า2 Troll Mutagen. The best place to farm them is the Whale Graveyard on the east side of Ard Skellig. fan art (cyberpunk universe) other games brazilian community italian community japanese community. I'm playing on a PS4 but this shouldn't change the way the list shows. Another option is the mansion you get in blood and wine, your herb garden here will grow winter cherries. If you have not yet sailed to Skellige, there are only a very few places to find Drowned Dead. Thanks! #5. You combine 3 lesser to make a normal muagen. Because you cant combine the monster ones. Being hypnotised, stunned, blinded, or knocked down while trying to defeat an enemy might be one of the most irritating aspects of Witcher 3 combat. 22 still farm drowners? (red mutagens)". For example, to spawn a Negotiator type: additem ('Bear Pants 3. So far in 70+ hours into the game and managed to get a whopping of 1 red mutagen :( . Easy mutagen farm to quickly rack up all three mutagens. It will drop lesser red mutagen. Lesser blue mutagen is an alchemy ingredient in The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt and is used to craft blue mutagens and reliever's decoction. Trained from early childhood and. Oh. Water hag mutagen is an alchemy ingredient in The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt and is used to craft water hag decoction. Note that most say you need to be at least level 20 to get such loot though. CD Projekt is releasing an official mod editor for The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt in 2024, meaning fans will soon be able to create their own custom content. kill the werewolf in the gardens in skiligge and you will get a red greater mutagen, thats how i got mine. From Latvia. They were however cut at some point during the development of the base game and CDPR did a fairly decent job and removing the feature from the game files. Obtained : Ancient Leshen Mutagen can be obtained during the Skellige quest In The Heart Of The Woods. :D Photo 1+2: OTR. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt. This glitch is only for higher levels because the location is in Toussaint. The best way to farm is to get to Whale Graveyard in Skellige and take out the Drowned Dead just North of there. Like all mid tier regular mutagens they do not drop from creatures outside of Blood and Wine expansion. 3 Lessers make a Regular 3L = R 3 Regulars makes a Greater 3R = G So, that means it takes 9 Lessers to make a Greater. Red mutagen Patch 1. Seems you need WinterCherry to create red Mutagens. 1. A Cosplay Fotostory. This makes them one of the best sources of Special Green Mutagens due to the number of Trolls found in all regions of the game. I have the latest version, playing on PS4, and only monster mutagens transferred completely, and not the regular ones (those go one of each type). ago. 99 used. thethirdparrot 8 years ago #2. . The three plants used to convert mutagens can only be found in the vineyards garden. Save and load the game. . I show how you can increase your attack power b. psn: Altecgreen. Heihlsson • 7 yr. . It has an alghoul (lvl 14) and 4 or 5 Devourers (lvl 13). YouTube™ Video: Witcher 3 [Rare Quest]: Buy Trololo Paints and Help him Paint the Bird (The Volunteer) Views: 17,394. Are there specific monsters that have a greater chance of dropping lesser red mutagens? I have searched farming methods, however all of the methods I have found are one or two years old now. That being said, you can possibly find a. They respawn. Alghoul drops other colored mutagen, but I got 3 lesser reds in about 15 minutes. However, you can make a stronger mutagen by combining weaker ones. Hey, I'm looking for a place I can farm red mutagens in the latest patch. As of the latest version, all of the xml files have been made into DLC mod format which should eliminate most compatibility. This is my first playthrough of the witcher 2 because i wanted to wait until i had free time to enjoy it. Here's a full explanation to your question. In case anyone is looking to farm red mutagen as soon as possible right when you hit Velen, there is an arachas that spawns with a group of endregas consistently at the Forest Hut. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. It's also really quick to do since the fast travel point is like 50 or so measurements of distance (meters?The Witcher 3 Mutagens. any place to farm it ? any special type of monsters ? ( i know werewolfs and fiends. A Cosplay Fotostory. usually find mutagens for loot from certain monsters and fuse them together to make a powerful mutagen, im not sure about 15% red unless you combine them like For example, if your mutagen is red and gives you +5% attack power, pairing it with an active combat skill will give you +10% attack power. In general, I'm with you on farming. After killing him, fast travel back to the starting zone and THEN back to Velen to respawn and start the whole adventure. The Witcher 3 Letting the rock troll survive, buying paint for him and helping him paint a bird. To spawn an item, hit the ~ key to bring up the console, and enter this code: additem (‘name’) where ' name' is the Item code. There are also special recipes in B&W that allow you to transmute your basic mutagens into any color. just make sure you got the decoctions before dismantling rare monstermutagens (im. Vanuatu222 5 years ago #3. As you said, red mutagens are rare but you usually net at least one lesser mutagen per "harvest" pretty. (8 mutagens slots of +2 sign damage (+4 with impregnation)). Greetings, witchers. Photo, Photo 3-5: Rabenpixel. 0:00 / 8:36 You NEED THIS - The Witcher 3 Farming Mutagens Tipps - Red, Green & Blue Greater Mutagen Franky Boy 3K subscribers Subscribe 3K views 3 weeks ago. Not sure why there's such a massive disparity between red and the blue & green. You need Power and Vitality to Beat Monsters and Men at Higher Levels than you so you can Level up Fast in the Game . The current methods are potluck whether they actually work Cowfiend, 1/10 drop rate for me. If you don't have all of them, you can purchase these from a merchant in Toussaint. sm0kiE 8 years ago #7. You get an achievement, and I got a greater red mutagen. Also you can convert some of your green and blue mutagens to red. It can be found at a random diagram location or bought from the following merchants: Merchant in the Perfumery Wine Merchant at Chuchote Cave Wine Merchant. As was stated, you will have a several methods to create them when you will progress through Blood and Wine. Players in The Witcher 3 can convert their mutagens between Red, Green, and Blue with alchemy formulas that require special ingredients in. All things related to The Witcher - books, games, TV. though to sell anyone. Just fast travel each Whale Graveyard and Bay of Winds. Go to Red Gill in Skellige to farm red mutagens-meditate 3 hrs and repeat Archived post. Fast travel to the Whale Graveyard on Skellige; kill the Drowned Dead; get their mutagens; ride to Redgill; kill the Drowned Dead on the south beach; get their mutagens. it is the only place to get the rare plants needed to transmute the colours. Neither does the big spider thing that supposedly drops them. 32) then you can find the appropriate version of the mod here. Arachas venom is an alchemy ingredient in The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt that can be dismantled into venom extract. . So far i have 2 greater blue and 2 greater green mutagen but not a single lesser red one. Foglets are common, including near the abandoned town on Bald Mountain and in other areas of North Velen (ex: northwest of House of Respite). It is a little south of the bog hag camp in the hills beyond some endrega. ago. There are also three colors of Mutagen: red, green, and blue. 2K views 6 months ago. The Trick To Farming Red Mutagen! Pleasurendeath 8 years ago #1 Greetings people, Yesterday I went on a mission and last night trying to farm for lesser red mutagen. Just fast travel to Whiterun and back to respawn them. You can find some in the fields by the road midway from Oxenfurt to Nilfgaard camp in the south. Were do i find red Mutagen? I googled and got several results like farming drowned dead or arachas but so far everything only yields lesser green or blue mutagen. Lesser green mutagen is an alchemy ingredient and is be used to craft green mutagens and reliever's decoction. Meditate and they all respawn. This thread is archived . ・ Signs. Kill drowners around sign post (There are more drowners in north of Whale Graveyard and southwest of Bay of Winds. As you can see, they aren't the most common monsters, which is likely why you don't have as many as blue or green. Unfortunately it does not respawn when I meditate,. Succubus mutagen is an alchemy ingredient in The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt and is used to craft succubus decoction. Lesser Red Mutagen is an item that can be equipped to increase attack power. Found that road? The Witcher 3 Winter Cherry is a really rare herb needed to change the color of mutenegens to red, from what I’ve read online it’s pretty much only grows at your estate at Corcoran Bianco in the blood and wine expansion, although I had difficulty getting more after I already picked it because no matter what I did it wouldn’t Respawn. 12 made it seem very limited the ability to farm them, has 1. It can be day or night and you only have to meditate 1 hour. 00). Once the processes inside are all finished, Geralt exits the capsule stronger than ever before. As for farming it, if you are in you are around lvl 23 or above you can try fighting the Bovine Defense Force. When placed in the diamond-shaped slot in the character panel, they give +50 to vitality, which increases by 50 up to a max of +200 if all. Want to get fast blue and green mutagens in Witcher 3? There is a place in Velen where you can get both of them. They are therefore mainly dependent on drops from monsters. Yellow mutagens were to link up with the yellow colored skills that in the vanilla game cannot link up with mutagens to provide an additional bonus. We show you a fast money and greater red mutagen glitch location you can use before level 20 in the Witcher 3: Wild Hunt after the patch 4. Rinse and repeat, 1-1. . For the process to begin, put the three eggs on the back of the machine, undress, and enter the machine. If you finished Blood and Wine, the mutagen transmutator, if not, then you can farm lesser greens from endregas southeast of the orphans swamp in Velen near a cave next to a place of power. Here’s where to find them. Yeah at level 13 I only got 1 lesser red mutagen, and I have multiple blue and greater blue mutagens. Business, Economics, and Finance. The Red Mutagen in The Witcher 3 is one of the most potent items that lets you power up Geralt. and you will need alot of red mutagens if you want to get all the mutations to unlock the 4 new skill slots. Each Ability placed in a slot near a mutagen of the same color increases that. Do this to any nest that has red mutagens. . :D Photo 1+2: OTR. There was farming methods which seems to be patched =/. I know how to farm them though. Granted, that means you'll need to do that around 24 times to get the 36 lesser red mutagens you'll need. Lots of threads on this with more places. You can find. You can occasionally find a Greater Mutagen in loot, but you will shortly end up with so many, it's easier to just craft them. Troll has been killing a lot of drowners. Get just outside the area, let them come to you and do not enter spawn area. 2 Greater Red. They act like lesser red mutagens when placed in the diamond-shaped slots in the character panel. Dès que vous tuez un monstre, vous avez une petite probabilité de looter des mutagènes. The most efficient way to get red mutagens is therefore killing the Arachas over and over, after each meditation, since it's an easier prey than the Fiend. And 3 red mutagens to craft one greater red mutagen. Jun 20, 2019Mutagens are considered very important in The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt. This edition of The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt has been enhanced with numerous visual and technical improvements, including vastly improved level of detail, a range of community created and newly developed mods for the game, real-time ray tracing, and more — all implemented with the power of modern PCs in mind. I've read multiple posts on how to farm nekkers and make mutagens using alchemy. #9. So I can't farm high level enemies. Killing cows in White Orchard now causes a constantly respawning Cow Beast (Chort lvl 27) that drops all 3 mutagen colors!Had a lot of trouble finding these and most videos were not very helpful some said this was patched but it's clearly not. I thought they meant combine like four to get a 20% increase mutagen lol. 3 normal to make a greater. Follow the path she took, to find her lair, and where you can find the pimpernel. Red mutagens focus on increasing attack strength. Best Money Glitch: Red Mutagen Farming: Witchers. Thanks to this I was able to get so many Lesser Red Mutagen to make all the. But ♥♥♥♥ it, now I saw you wrote without DLC's. Am I just out of luck or am I looking at the wrong places and monsters?You can trasform mutagens now! No drowner farming and stuff, only science!I'm looking for a place to try and get red mutagen. Use your Witcher senses to locate them by sound. I think mutagens are in general more prevalent in baw from my playthrough, left and right greater mutagens. For example, the werewolf mutagen appears. 4. :D Photo 1+2: OTR. . menuRight now I'm running a very attack power build and my red mutagens are both giving me a 40% damage increase will they both stack on each other…Red mutagen is a useful resource to gather in The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt. Jeannie13 8 years ago #5. Small red mutagen: mainly dropped by harpies. Fast travel back to the Nilfgaarian camp in White Orchard. Storyline and Gameplay Walkthrough. Stuff like Ekhidna decoction, ancient leshen decoction, etc. Before patch 1. dj00le. It is needed as an alternative ingredient to craft lesser red mutagens, red mutagens, and greater red mutagens. I currently have 3 greater red mutagens. Just do the Corvo Bianco upgrades until you can get the ability to change Monster mutagens and also to get the garden and change Greater Blue and Greater Greens into Greater Reds. :D Photo 1+2: OTR. Mar 2, 2017. Contracts usually drop named mutagens 100% of the time, if not most of the time. To first unlock mutations, the secondary quest Turn and Face the Strange must be completed, which will then alter the character panel to include a central circular icon between the. They definitely have their place, especially when Euphoria can get you into 1-hit kill territory against most enemies without even taking mutagens into consideration. Take your relic oil, and two bombs he's weak against and farm him. It’s a small, round fruit, coming from a plant with red flowers growing directly from the stalk. All the remained was an icon. . Different types (colors) of mutagens grant different kinds of bonuses. Red Mutagen is one of Wild Hunt’s most valuable resources. Mutated Skin: Each Adrenaline point decreases damage received by 15% (up to 45%). ” This latest installment brings us so much change. They can also be used to augment abilities but are not as effective as their regular or greater counterparts. So far the best farming location for red mutagens, it is just south of Crookback Bog and basically. perablenta said: Depends on the monster type, for red mutagens you need to find Water Hags, Nekkai Warriors and ArchGriffins. It re-spawns every 4 days. When placed in the diamond-shaped slot in the character panel, they give +10% to sign intensity, which increases by 10 up to a max of +40% if all 3 skills attached to it are blue. still cant find a lot of red mutagens. olson Jul 6, 2015 @ 6:41am. just make sure you got the. Earth Elemental Mutagen. . Travel a bit south from the Redgill marker and there’s drowners there who drop lesser red mutagens. i m stuck with 1 greater red mutagen, and 1 lesser red. I have all DLC as well. TheGreatPretender46 • 6 yr. Balrog5555 · 1/25/2020. You can break down mutagens by dismantling them at a blacksmith. All things related to The Witcher - books, games, TV. See full list on vg247. red tracker. This will usually fix the problem, as I show in the video as well. 1 at about level 11 in Following the Thread in Novigrad, 1 at level 11 during the Griffin Scavenger Hunt in the Grotto. The method of conversion works different in the hidden laboratory. R = 3L, G = 3R = 9L If you need 3 Greaters, that's 27 total Lessers, not 243. No_Lawfulness5833. Lesser red mutagen is an alchemy ingredient and is used to craft red mutagens, alghoul decoction and reliever's decoction. I am really struggling to find some red mutagens. . Head to Crookback Bog, the village in the swamp with Gran and the orphan kids. "Southeast of the orphans swamp in Velen there is a cave next to a place of power, there are all kinds of Endraga warriors and workers, all about level 9. There will now be 5 level 18 Drowners with a very high drop rate of LRM. In case anyone is looking to farm red mutagen as soon as possible right when you hit Velen, there is an arachas that spawns with a group of endregas consistently at the Forest Hut. 5-8 Drowners spawn per meditation. Drowned Dead and Mucknixers are the stronger versions of drowners. . 3. With Mutated Skin, each adrenaline point decreases damage received by 15%. ago. Photo, Photo 3-5: Rabenpixel. When placed in the diamond-shaped slot in the character panel, they give +5% to attack power, which increases by 5% up to a max of +20% if all 3 skills attached to. . I just checked, and you can't dismantle mutagens, they don't appear in the list of items that can be. 3G = 9R = 27LSome say you can try the Bandit Camp at the whale graveyard in Skelllige, which supposedly has Drowners that drop lesser red mutagens after you kill the bandits. View community ranking In the Top 1% of largest communities on Reddit In the Top 1% of largest communities on RedditLike a 15% attack that requires 3 greater, which would be 3*3*3*3 = 81 red mutagens per, or 243 for 3. 31/1. In these dedicated. Boards. So in total, players can improve their defense. Lesser Red Mutagen Farming Guide - The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt. This Video Shows You How To Get All Gre. And when you walk in golden halls, you get to keep the gold that falls. Don't know why they seem to be so rare and all the guides that come up. 00). Green mutagen is an alchemy ingredient and is used to craft greater green mutagens. However, I just remembered the catch. ago. Are you saying that I can pick a lesser green mutagen and turn it into a lesser red mutagen through that same menu?. Farming for red mutagen works pretty well at the abandoned town of Toderas. Arachas have a small chance to drop red mutagens, and also any other type of mutagen. Where to farm for Red Mutagens ? fftstudent 8 years ago #11.